Hi, Boh Tong, that was a very good response. Separately, I would like to seek your view on this situation. As you are aware, Silkair recently became part of SIA and its crew became part of the latter's. After undergoing a training stint at STC, they would be placed on SIA'S long haul flights as well. Apparently, this did not go down too well with a certain IFM. During a recent briefing for a flight, and in noting that there was Silkair's crew on SNY, he openly said, "You Silkair crew don't deserve to come to SIA. You are here to take over our flights" followed by further criicisms. This was done during the briefing and in the presence the presence of 23 crew members. I cannot imagine how the Silkair crew felt. She must have felt terrible during that trip. She felt grossly humilated that even the SQ crew felt sorry for her. Can you please advise who should I raise this matter to? Should I raise it with the CEO or Cabin Crew Department or social media? The initials of the IFM is WLK and with an English name beginning with P. Please let me have your views and advice which is the best route to raise this matter.
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My advice for now,escalate to higher up.It will pave the way to those entitled IFM.The M got into their head.Fear not the media savvy youngster will survive and thrive in these current time,even with Covid .If worst crowdfund,should be fun to give.Remember the 8,the FSS who passed in SFO ?No justice,cowards abound amongst,and there will sell their mothers too,for their personal gain.Unions?More like onions will only bring tears to one's eye,at the mention,weak and ineffective,except to promote self,notice how many IFM were unionist ?Will be watched by all those who were ex,and axed,due to weak response,injustice and fairness onboard as rare as kobe steak for junior crew on board for meals.God bless you all.
By these,you mean the IFM can continue to be abusive,unprincipled just lije Trump or Russkie in Ukraine now ?Or change parade,dunking in fish pond for NS men till death ?They need to be removed,cause in time of conflict,when the guns are out,friendly fire in the beginning of war will point different direction,settling scores,then common enemy.It would not happens if there are code of conduct like hippocatic oaths for CC.Or are there ?Then vigilante will arise,only natural ,or common protection,the rise of the triad etc.Not good,but defending the weak,the trodden, and finally the law.Jmo.
@Anonymous who commented that (i) such crew were nitwits and cry babies and should report to police for any minor issue and (ii) that they were from a generation of idiotic upbringing. I disagree with him, or her, on both points and here's why. On the first issue, Aren't you over-exaggerating? On the second issue, what right and justification does the IFM have to do this to a junior crew? If he, or she, has any issue with the merger, take it up with SQ. Why blame the crew who, through no fault of hers, was on his flight as part of her job? Has it not occurred to him, or her, that such comments serve nothing but make a fellow being, and colleague, feel miserable for the duration of the trip? Put yourself in the position of the crew's parent. What would you do if your daughter return hom from her flight and tell you what the IFM said? There's nothing to do with idiotic upbringing. If there is, it is the IFM's upbringing that needs to be looked at.
@Anonymous who suggested escalating. In the course of events, I am sure this wil be escalated and let's hope that some crew members who was at the briefing confirm the situation. We all know some might just want to avoid trouble and not comment. I am also wondering why the IFM was so bold to pass such comments openly in the presence of the full set of crew? Could he not tell the right from wrong or he feels that he has some strong support behind him. As it is, his behaviour and attitude towards former MI crew is spreading like wild fire. Even if the affected crew do not escalate, chances are it may reach the Management one way or another
What’s the flight Nos.and date,I am sure there management reading your posting.Justice must be served and bring these high handed CIC to task.
while i think the ifm could have said it in a way better way, what he said is true.
although i am sorry that the ex mi crew had to take it in front of 23 crews, this is what will happen in every company's merger, she should bring it up to her ward leader (but of course it will not help), or she can suck it up. Ultimately she has the choice to resign as SQ's management philosophy is if you quit ther eare 1000 cancdidates queuing outside waiting to replace you.
More so for MI crews who obviously could not make it for SQ before the merger.
It's not within the perogative of Ifm to say such tenor and tones,to another.The Ifm deserves a point down,only Sexcy,and Ahquaman level can utters such rots,and where are they now ?Must be affected by vaxxed side effects causing brain fog,whats next on their mind ?Union must act next management also,failure to act shows the competency level and care,core value.
Huh sexy and Aquaman are sick due to vaxxx?
Grow up lah...
If you have been hurt, approach the person who hurt you
and settle the issue.
Trouble with SQ is that every crew has been beaten into submission during training.
Management is smart to create an environment of report, report, report.
Each crew or staff will be ever watchful to report, report, report.
I watch you and you watch me... there is so much fear, how to be spontaneous and natural in providing A++ service.. ?
Everyone just stick to the book.
A bunch of bots programmed to self destruct and destroy each other...
joeks on union, if union actually care this 'discrimination' wouldn't have happened at the first place, to the extend that management is telling sq crews to love mi crews cause 'we are one family' shows how incompetent the management is in managing their staffs.
if it's not because of covid where sq is at manpower shortage mi crews have no where to stand, probably gonna get 80% let go, mi crews should just accept the fact that they did took original sq crew's pie and be humble about it, you are now in SIA, SIA stands for sorry I apologies, if you cannot assimilate, then too bad.
What makes you think that SQ have a very high standard? U making me laugh. That last line though... Any kind of workplace discrimination should never be condoned if you know the MOM ruling well enough
An IFS of old once said:
" Your manual & my manual is the same
issued from same source.
You follow the manual, I follow the manual,
everything will be alright"
End of briefing.
No questions, no test, no dialogue.
Your comment makes absolutely no sense, neither does it add any value to the issue at hand.
Point 1 - I’m not sure how many mergers you have been part of but no, it does not happen in every merger. Please do some research before sprouting nonsense. In fact, management can look into these areas to ensure a seamless transition for both parties involved. Need examples of successful mergers? Exxon Mobil 98. Go read up.
Point 2- Bring this up to ward leaders (yet nothing will be done about it) Once again, something that definitely needs to be looked into. You’re saying that management is not doing their job? Thread carefully, child.
Point 3 - Your last sentence is comical. Trust me, I know of cabin crew from either airline who would struggle if the tables were the other way round. Likewise, I’d like to see how you would fare in the other situation. Ever stop to consider that there could be a whole plethora of other reasons why MI crew would want to be with MI? They’d rather turnaround flights? Better work culture?
if its true, IFM Phileas WongLK should not have said what he said. This is behaviour of a bully. The MI crew had no say to the merger. Some are unhappy but had no choice as they are earning a living.
what the ifm could have done if he feel strongly against the merger is to march into CEO/SVP office and give his piece of mind. if they do not listen, then the honourable thing to do is resign. then he is steady pom pi pi.
but then again, a s##thead bully will only take on the defenceless and balless to the powerful.
Need to punish the so called IFM.Otherwise they will rise up the rank to AM like Sexcy,Ahquaman,then too late.Nip them in the bud.
Openly dragging someone's name through the mud without any proof? Someone is clearly out to get this IFM, and the comment that revealed his name is obviously planted by the OP. People believe this nonsense? Who would risk their career by making such a brazen comment in today's world? Maybe think before you guys start insulting and slandering the person in question.
The IFM was alleged to have said this in the presence of whole set of crew. So, I guess an investigatin will determine whether such an inccident happened.
Clearly the OP is using this cleverly crafted story to slander the said IFM's reputation and to cause some disparity and animosity.
The way it is written in innocence asking for advice et al is pretentious. This is a public forum and hence a part of social media. Thus, the OP has indeed already put this out in clear view for everyone to read.
However, the crux of the story is based on an incident of an SNY crew in front of 23 others;
NONE of them are trained (yet) on this aircraft type.
Some fools will believe it....the rest are laughing at the post.
To the OP : Please try harder next time. If you want to create a juicy story, please dun leave a loop hole in your fable.
Slandering ?If its true,not slander,its like Russia special ops in Ukraine.Look like an invasion to the world,might is not right.We have unfriendly neighbours too,time and again,they will try.Wake up and be real,defend oneself,it starts from the briefing room ,get vaxxed and respond to their tries,if you cant see it,you will be gone,literally.
Let me give my comments from a neutral point of view. I am a current SQ crew (not a veteran neither a newbie). Firstly, former MI crews are already trained for for A350 flights and some have even completed, hence, their SNY. The next batch of MI crew will commence their training on Tuesday, 24 May 2022 (the batch of 12 has to go to the US Embassy on Monday, 23 May 2022) to get their visa. So this will dispel the myth over the statement, "NONE of them are trained (yet) on this aircraft type". Secondly, the OP must have seen previous posts and noted that names have been mentioned and initials used for the nasty ones. I have friends who are former MI crew members. Apparently, this incident have been spreading like wild fire amongst them. Some are worried about meeting this IFM whilst some are quite gung-ho and said they know what to do. Some have gone back to their former management staff to seek advice and were told to stay calm and report to Ward Leader after flight. I think what the IFM should do if he know that this incident is going around. Not difficult to find who which crew is involved. We all know having SNY is not common, more so when it is a former MI crew. So, what he can do is call up the crew to clarify matters. On the other hand, if there is some truth in it, good luck to him.
Why make a big fuss out of a mole hill?? The MI stewardess should not be affected by her IFM's remark or was she? The whole episode is a big fiasco and suddenly many crew or excrew sprang out of nowhere and criticised/protected the IFM. Wake up girl/man and don't be so sensitive!
Do you think management really care? TPT visits this blog quite often in the past but not now. He has better things to do.
Social media, a very powerful tool to either do good or harm, facelessly n anonymously behind keyboards, incurring no expenses but exacting max “potential returns” of whatever hidden personal agenda, gallant or devious! OP wrote this on context or pretext he/she is not a crew but gallantly taking up the cudgel for the weak and helpless victim against a bully abusing his authority. Very commendable and heroic indeed? Or despicable? From what I understand, crew are not supposed to post in social media, more so washing dirty linens in public. A crew will definitely know the protocols how and who to provide feedback to. A crew will definitely know who’s his/her manager in charge or svp. To ask for such advice is obviously deflecting his/her identity as a crew to avoid disciplinary actions for infringing co regulations, yet achieving more than the intent. On top of that, OP is going for the kill by intending to copy MOM, citing labor laws, thereby exerting pressure on SQ, esp cc mgmt? If OP is a crew, for whatever reasons, that’s vindictiveness at its epitome! Seems more like personal vendetta? To be fair to OP the hero/heroine, the MI crew victim and the accused IFM, as a neutral party, I hope someone will guide the gallant and heroic OP to write to the svp of cc, highest authority there. And if she’s indeed not a crew, to state his/her name and contact. After all if what is alleged is true, what’s there to hide? I am sure the svp would like to thank him/her for bringing to his attention. But if it’s not true, be fair to the IFM and allow him the chance to counter sue and clear his name, his leadership and reputation, without which he has no more integrity to lead a team or a flt. After all it’s only fair. You throw a punch, you must be able to take one in return. And if what’s alleged is indeed true, then the IFM must face the music for not supporting CEO and board’s decisions to merge the 2 entities, a decision that’s beyond even any svp or anyone else! Instead of welcoming the MI crew into the larger family and thanking her for helping cc division to grow, he instigated divisions btw SQ and MI families against the grain of teamwork, one of SQ’s core values? I hope cc mgmt handles anonymous complaints in unofficial sq platforms with extreme caution. Meanwhile can someone direct OP who to write to and provide him/her the email of the relevant authority. And for goodness sake OP, please state your name and contact. This is the minimum respect you ought to give to the authority and also yourself. And please keep us posted here and of any further devt.
Ya pls non are trained for this kind of aircraft type . Don’t spout nonsense pls . BOHTONG time to remove this post . Most of us here can prove it is nonsense
If you do know , then you should know they are not 380 trained .
You really do not know what's happening in the world. So, do not talk about Trump and Russia bullying.
Refers to "Openly dragging someone's name through the mud without any proof? ".Got 23 pair
of eyes and ears."Someone is clearly out to get this IFM",not likely,being IFM,top dog in briefing room ,he is the chairman."One can guess,anyone in CC can guess,and so own up. and the comment that revealed his name .,is it true or false ?" "People believe this nonsense ",you should change your name to Putin ! He made the whole press,Prata Press, says it's a special Ops,not invasion."Who would risk their career by making such a brazen comment in today's world? "He made the statement on Inflight Briefing,brazen and unfortunately in front of 23 witnessess."Maybe think before you guys start insulting and slandering the person in question."it's only repeating what he said,which Law you are quoting ?You seems to be lacking and totally ignorant of the Law of Defamation and Tort.Go brush up ,and wise up before we call you a fool.
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